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Mat Mase
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PostSubject: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:36 am

Hi all! Smile

So today Radio53kip from the Free players clan posted this on the FP reddit:

(reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/freeplayers/comments/5egehy/fire_bolt_fire_blast_but_cheaper_research_on_f2p/ )

Radio53kip wrote:
I was wondering why enemies have weaknesses to stuff like Air spells, Water spells and Earth spells, when Fire spells have the highest damage output of the 4. Sure you're giving up accuracy, but the damage makes up for it, especially when comparing Air and Fire. But I was wrong, very wrong.

Doing some research on F2P combat spells and their damage shows some very interesting numbers. The results are shown here:

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Note I'm using full mystic with starfury cape, explorer's ring 4, arcane blast necklace and have 84 magic. This is in EoC and prayer does not alter the numbers as these are base values.

What we can see is that the damage of spells appears to be equal. Your strength bonus is used to compensate the loss of base spell damage. It starts dropping however once we reach the weaker spells, meaning the strength bonus is capped. Interestingly Fire Bolt is just as strong as Fire Blast, meaning you can save 1/3 of runes using that instead. For wands this goes as low as Earth Bolt before dropping in damage. This all is well explainable with some patch Jagex did one day that allows combat spells to scale with weapon levels up to a certain point.

Baites has also tested some results for me as he has 99 magic and the gravite staff. Similar as my results using the nature staff, his damage starts dropping from Earth Bolt and lower.

Conclusion? Why spend runes on Fire Blast if you can use only 2/3 of it using Fire Bolt. You can even save more runes by just using Air Blast. Additionaly, you can use the other blast spells to increase your accuracy against specific enemies weak to those spells, without a damage loss. Check out your damage values for your gear / level and see what is optimal for you.

What this means for us is that we can save 33% of our runes when casting magical spells if we switch to a lower teir!

Hope you found this interesting Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:28 am

Oh! Now that is good news! Thanks for posting Mase.
No more blasting for me then, it's bolting all the way!
*Bolts off*
         
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:34 am

Hmm interesting, although with abilities you could technically if you tried to not use a single rune. Actually managed to start attacking monsters in the past with spells without a single rune in my inventory =) its just impractical wasn't exactly smooth flowing combat compared with runes.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:36 am

got that message again saying someones posted while you were composing your message, and of course its Tree again posting before me, love your timing.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:47 pm

hmm interesting, thanks Wink

Edit: also interesting signature tree... wonder who that is who is running, doesn't look like a tree Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:41 pm

Slightly misleading, but a good effort nonetheless.

Your spell damage is affected by the lower value of your staff's tier (x14.4?) or your active spell damage. Your active spell damage, however, scales based on your Magic level, up until the level before the next tier of the same elemental spell unlocks (ex. Air Bolt scales from its base at 17 to 40, as Air Blast unlocks at 41).

Running the numbers in my head it seems that his high Magic level means that those spells ended up causing his weapon to be the limiter instead of the spell.

In layman terms, you should check your loadout in the F1 Tab to determine which spell is best for you, if you care to do so.


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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:34 pm

Iron Matko wrote:
got that message again saying someones posted while you were composing your message, and of course its Tree again posting before me, love your timing.
Gotta keep you on your toes! Razz

Palawag wrote:

Edit: also interesting signature tree... wonder who that is who is running, doesn't look like a tree Razz

Well it's not a signature as such, just a couple of gifs I found on photobucket and put in that post. It was meant to represent me 'bolting off' from someone using fire blasts on me…yeh,  a bit obscure perhaps, lol.

Desolare wrote:
Slightly misleading, but a good effort nonetheless.

Your spell damage is affected by the lower value of your staff's tier (x14.4?) or your active spell damage. Your active spell damage, however, scales based on your Magic level, up until the level before the next tier of the same elemental spell unlocks (ex. Air Bolt scales from its base at 17 to 40, as Air Blast unlocks at 41).

Running the numbers in my head it seems that his high Magic level means that those spells ended up causing his weapon to be the limiter instead of the spell.

In layman terms, you should check your loadout in the F1 Tab to determine which spell is best for you, if you care to do so.


Ok, that’s all getting way too technical for a simple brain like mine.  I’ll just let someone tell me what I should be doing, and do it. lol


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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:45 pm

Fire Blat.

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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:48 pm

Treemaid wrote:


Ok, that’s all getting way too technical for a simple brain like mine.  I’ll just let someone tell me what I should be doing, and do it. lol

Feels bad because I thought I had dumbed it down sufficiently tongue

Tree the spell you should use depends on the spell, your Magic level as well as the Magic weapon you use. This isn't innately obvious because

1. When you hover Magic weapons they don't have a Magic Damage listed (which makes no sense because ranged weapons have a damage listed even thought they use a similar calculation)
2. Nowhere does it actually say that your Magic level increases the damage of a spell explicitly (no matter how intuitive this is)

Ability Damage

Everything is laid out on here, and it will be difficult to read through and grasp everything at once, but feel free to PM me and I can explain it more slowly and hopefully in a more obvious way Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:12 pm

Or just throw all stats and figures out the window. pick up the first staff you see, grab a bunch of runes, skip along to the beasties and fire away with what ever spell you want and have some fun. If it takes you a bit longer to kill it doesn't bother me and if i run out of runes will buy some more =)

To me a game is just meant to be fun, logistics and numbers can stay in the workplace. I'm not fussed with efficiency I love to waste time in the land of Runescape. Those images in the front of the page, I've been playing for 10 years and they have no meaning to me never bothered to learn them.

Have always just used what seems to work or hear is good and worked well for me so far =)
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:35 pm

Of course, Matko Smile I did not mean to impose my "BEST METHODS EVER" on everyone else. I just wanted people to be informed, and they can make their own decisions on how to play the game after seeing the full picture.

Sincerest apologies if I sounded really blunt in my posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Blat = Fire bolt? :o   Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:09 pm

Oh that's true @Deso, someone in the clan who is a maxed f2p tested this and at his magic level, he has a more noticeable difference.

I guess we should all check for ourselves on which spell to use in our load-outs then Razz
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